tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post5698316229533578499..comments2023-10-24T17:15:07.560+02:00Comments on A Dance with Dragons re-read project: The KingbreakerStefan Sassehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03504751435668017553noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-70566479174420107952016-01-31T01:23:11.879+01:002016-01-31T01:23:11.879+01:00Varys is for the Blackfyres. All his actions make ...Varys is for the Blackfyres. All his actions make sense if this is true. Aegon is the mummer's dragon. Laural Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06930408249750501543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-85724158044211777422012-03-11T18:51:09.779+01:002012-03-11T18:51:09.779+01:00Varys hates magic. The citadel hates magic. Dragon...Varys hates magic. The citadel hates magic. Dragons are magic. Varys wouldnt be too fond of dragons then. Also can you always speak to gods by burning orphan penises or maybe he wanted varys because he has kings blood? Also varys knows the secrets of the red keep and it was said only targs would ever know its secrets which is why the killed all the builders. Am I correct? Maybe hes a dragon magic hating targ. Or maybe hes not really a eunuch who would know?Jaydiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03758235716662711936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-21838420926072717542011-09-16T01:53:56.033+02:002011-09-16T01:53:56.033+02:00But do we know for sure if that's Littlefinger...But do we know for sure if that's Littlefinger's goal?<br /><br />I'll say this, whatever the end game is, it's REALLY jaw dropping to watch those two maneuver!Raquelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17181855641076360454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-720057130323284022011-09-15T18:39:23.717+02:002011-09-15T18:39:23.717+02:00But Barristen is inherently biased in those kinds ...But Barristen is inherently biased in those kinds of things because of his whole honor stick, Martin has said so himself in his Q&A and how characters point of views may not reflect <br />the truth.<br /><br />Whatever Varys destabilization, it did not in the end set off the downfall of the Targaryeans, that was Rhaegar's doing, or brought about its end since he was the one to advise against letting the Lannisters into King's Landing. <br /><br />And we already have someone whose playing that game, Littlefinger as you mentioned, wouldn't that be a little redundant to have Varys do that? The Spider is already vilified as it is, so it'd be more interesting and expand the casts motivations more if Varys was aiming for something different as his whole serve the realm stick does.KrimzonStrikerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09399041947125766551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-57175468033235211422011-09-15T11:01:29.443+02:002011-09-15T11:01:29.443+02:00KrimzonStriker, you could be right. However, Varys...KrimzonStriker, you could be right. However, Varys' actions are tainted to me now since I can't really dismiss Barriston's impressions especially after Keven's assassination. It's possible that Varys was trying to goad circumstances to prod Rheagar, but it's equally possible that Varys was trying to destabilize in general, playing a much larger game than we've previously seen. He allegedly rescued Aegon, he whispered madness to Aerys, he hid the crown prince and has been in firm, if not direct, control of his rearing. I actually think it's possible that Varys' game is creating a new kingdom where he has unbelievable influence over the king. I realize it's rather crazy and would involve a ton of planning and a boatload of patience, but what we learned of Varys' childhood, I find it perfectly feasible that he would take the opportunity to create a place where he will always be in control. Or perhaps he would do it just to see if he could, though that sounds more like Littlefinger. <br /><br />Well, that's my crackpot theory, anyway. I missed the Shavepate's advantages, good catch to all! It will be interesting to see where this all goes!Raquelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17181855641076360454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-45899100672585467932011-09-15T10:22:25.040+02:002011-09-15T10:22:25.040+02:00Possible, yes. I like that your theory involves le...Possible, yes. I like that your theory involves less of an overall conspiracy theory, which is always a good thing in my book.Stefan Sassehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504751435668017553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-80498874907500959392011-09-15T07:16:57.610+02:002011-09-15T07:16:57.610+02:00Err, I think you're exagerating a little here ...Err, I think you're exagerating a little here Stefan. Barristen only says Varys TOLD Aerys that Rhaegar was plotting against him, not that Rhaegar actually WAS. It wasn't until near the end as seen by Jamie that where we see he was finally starting to act. My theory, which I've put up in Westeros.org before but I'll repeat here, I think Varys was simply trying to provoke Rhaegar into deposing Aerys by turning Aerys against him, because obviously if people have to choose they'll choose Rhaegar no problem, since he has a legitimate claim to the throne anyway, so less of a conflict of interest in regards to duty. In this matter I believe the logic makes more sense, and still keeps in line with Varys stated quest of serving the realm.KrimzonStrikerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09399041947125766551noreply@blogger.com