tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post6396103196633610921..comments2023-10-24T17:15:07.560+02:00Comments on A Dance with Dragons re-read project: Cersei IIStefan Sassehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03504751435668017553noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-38146898924833792862017-06-28T05:44:46.573+02:002017-06-28T05:44:46.573+02:00Elaborate on the water garden comparison please. Elaborate on the water garden comparison please. TMariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170209363407622729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-30163692598138183872012-11-14T13:23:42.525+01:002012-11-14T13:23:42.525+01:00You could, but I'd say it's a bit overinte...You could, but I'd say it's a bit overinterpreting. Perhaps after we know what became of them?Stefan Sassehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504751435668017553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-56963082494087341322012-11-14T04:59:49.311+01:002012-11-14T04:59:49.311+01:00Is it possible to draw comparisons between Cersei&...Is it possible to draw comparisons between Cersei's walk and Dany's burning of Drogo and the dragon eggs? Both women ended up naked and hairless and were transformed by the ordeal. Dany ended up leaving behind one part of her life (Drogo) and starting another (the dragons), while gaining the respect of her followers. Cersei may be completing an opposite transformation, as she will never be held in the same high regard by the public. Also, her change may be similar to the change we viewed with Lancel?kbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02267102148918076869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-21105739006409662602012-05-14T01:20:21.089+02:002012-05-14T01:20:21.089+02:00I'm not looking forward to seeing this on the ...I'm not looking forward to seeing this on the show at all.<br />Yes, she's a terrible person. Yes, she brought this upon herself.<br />It still breaks my heart. Cersei Cersei Cersei.Elisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11279961035795386102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-68494878653832956312012-02-09T05:27:22.648+01:002012-02-09T05:27:22.648+01:00Im really looking forward to Cersei paying her deb...Im really looking forward to Cersei paying her debts to the septal and the high septon. That said, in real life people hate women with any success or power, want them humiliated, and when they see them humiliated, just move on and even become a bit more sympathetic. Case in point is Martha Stewart. Basically Cersei will go back to ruling and the people might even like her after getting a chance to throw rotten vegetables at her.SakiVIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307981612840889634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-1353327894787038602011-09-14T06:25:49.055+02:002011-09-14T06:25:49.055+02:00I also believe Cersei's authority is much less...I also believe Cersei's authority is much less than it was, but I don't think it's broken. I DO think she was humiliated and scrubs for that reason. The abject and sick humiliation of being exposed in any way to strangers is shattering, I have no doubt that in some ways this will harden Cersei's vindictiveness and power grabbing, but I also believe the walk broke her in other ways. She will never have that easy self confidence again. Not for real, and that will only increase her bitterness. With Kevin gone she will again be in a position of power, but NOT unopposed. She thought she was awash in Roses before, but now she's going to find herself buried in them!<br /><br />I fear no part of the Seven Kingdoms will be spared from the disasters that are raining down.Raquelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17181855641076360454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-36419083070731182282011-09-14T04:07:36.918+02:002011-09-14T04:07:36.918+02:00I mean missing the point behind why Kevan and the ...I mean missing the point behind why Kevan and the Septon's move to use this particular method, and its real objective, not simply to shame or punish Cersei herself but to strip her of her of any air of command or authority, figuratively and literally of course. I just think people are too fixated about the personal 'torment' Cersei went through honestly.KrimzonStrikerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09399041947125766551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-79357834755275453542011-09-13T22:47:24.174+02:002011-09-13T22:47:24.174+02:00I forgot to add this, but great job on linking the...I forgot to add this, but great job on linking the point about the Water Gardens to this. That honestly slipped through my mind, even on re-read.Bretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05741738070067590221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-334609431213720312011-09-13T21:42:52.503+02:002011-09-13T21:42:52.503+02:00Missing the point?
"As so often, Cersei is a...Missing the point?<br /><br />"As so often, Cersei is a victim of her own judgement. She thought that the walk concerned only her pride, and that she could weather it, but the fate of her grandfather's whore should have taught her a lesson. A person naked is a common person. It is a lesson that Doran explained earlier about the water gardens, a realization that has come to the old queen Daenerys already. It's lost to Cersei until it is too late. When she finally realizes it, she snaps, making it even worse by trying to cover herself, running, stumbling, crying. She destroys her image as hard, beautiful queen for good her. Whatever future lies ahead of her in the coming novels, it will most certainly be changed drastically. Like Jaime lost all he was with his swordhand, Cersei lost all she was with this walk of shame. They both are half people after. Knowing Cersei, however, it won't be a pleasant transformation here. "Stefan Sassehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504751435668017553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-19441611404318204352011-09-13T19:25:57.488+02:002011-09-13T19:25:57.488+02:00Guys, you're missing the whole point behind th...Guys, you're missing the whole point behind this, even if it doesn't bring Cersei herself to heel it completely undermines her authority and position of power. Before she got away with everything based on her looks and charm, take those away and all you have is a vindictive beotch. <br /><br />And no it does NOT make me sympathetic in the least, because everything that happened to her here was a result of her own stupid selfishness and you ALL know I'm right. Anyone else.... but no, Cersei well and truly did bring this on herself.KrimzonStrikerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09399041947125766551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-76625915874609897632011-09-13T17:58:07.387+02:002011-09-13T17:58:07.387+02:00This is an interesting chapter, because are we rea...This is an interesting chapter, because are we really supposed to believe that Ceresi is completely humiliated or that this is a just a small and necessary means to an end? Since I don't think ANYONE has ever told her she is not the fairest in land, it stings a bit when they make fun her appearance. But,I don't think she's taking lye baths to wash away the sin--but to wash off the stench of septas. Probably conspiring with Varys during those lye baths. I'm not buying this humiliation--and think we can look forward to the high septon being hung and the septas having their tons ripped out (or worse). A Lannister always pay their debts, after all.SteveEckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027845610993780995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-83223459989369461082011-09-13T14:41:48.275+02:002011-09-13T14:41:48.275+02:00I was under the impression that Jaime knew the val...I was under the impression that Jaime knew the value of fear even before losing his hand, but I'm not certain. <br /><br />I concur with the assumption about the nature of the punishment and it devestating Cersei (after all, she is described as washing herself repeatedly every day in the Epilogue). I would think, however, that she is not at all "humbled" by the event as Jaime was.Stefan Sassehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504751435668017553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9200860591450872337.post-2481607478106600592011-09-13T09:01:05.204+02:002011-09-13T09:01:05.204+02:00Great point about Cersei not really understanding ...Great point about Cersei not really understanding courage and the value of fear. Jaime was similar in many ways before getting captured and later mutilated. Had Cersei been a man, I suspect she would have simply been a mirror reflection of Jaime. <br /><br />I remember thinking that this chapter would generate a <em>ton</em> of heat and criticism, because it depicted the breaking down and public humiliation of a prominent, proud female character. It did, but many of the critics seemed so repelled by the graphic nature of it that they didn't grasp the point, about how Cersei's pride and her identity (the beautiful, powerful queen) were being destroyed by this. It's a deeply cruel punishment by Kevan and the High Septon, and made me sympathetic towards Cersei again in spite of everything she'd done in AFFC. <br /><br />I'm <em>hoping</em> that this was Cersei's "Sharp Lesson", in the same way that Jaime's losing his sword hand was his. Although she still seems as ambitious and driven as ever, she also seemed more subtle in the Kevan epilogue, which means she might be more dangerous. Who knows, though? Maybe it won't work this time, and she'll be the same Cersei - only even more single-minded in getting her revenge.Bretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05741738070067590221noreply@blogger.com